Economy Battlefield
Is Student Debt orgiveness air or a Rip-Off?
Biden's $10K forgiveness plan blew up the economy debate: crushed borrowers call it salvation, furious taxpayers call it theft. The Supreme Court killed it, but the rage festers on. A generational war between the indebted and the responsible, the young and the old—zero room for truce.
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You call it a handout. We call it a receipt for a promise broken. or decades, we were told the only path to the middle class ran through a four-year degree—that borrowing was 'good debt' and that our sacrifice would pay off. We did exactly what the system demanded. We signed on the dotted line, took on crushing interest rates, and deferred our lives. Now, when we ask for the same relief that banks, airlines, and corporations get every single time they stumble, you call us irresponsible? That's not fiscal discipline—that's a rigged game, and we're done pretending it's fair.
Your 'fiscal responsibility' is a fairy tale for the privileged. You bought your home when it cost a year's salary and your tuition when a summer job covered it. You didn't face an economy where wages stagnated for forty years while the cost of education tripled. You didn't have to choose between groceries and loan payments. So before you lecture us about 'personal responsibility,' check your own privilege. This isn't about laziness; it's about survival in a system that marketed us a dream and delivered a debt trap.
And let's talk about the real theft: the interest. The government—your government—profits billions off student loans, charging rates that would make a loan shark blush. We borrowed $30,000; we've paid back $45,000; and we still owe $35,000. Who's the real thief here? orgiving a fraction of that—$10,000, not even a third of the average debt—isn't a giveaway. It's a correction. It's the government admitting it sold us a defective product and finally offering a partial refund. You call that a rip-off? I call it the first honest transaction in a generation.
You say it's unfair to the 'responsible' who paid off their loans. But your anger is misplaced. The real enemy isn't the struggling nurse or teacher next door—it's the system that made you pay twice while the wealthy dodge taxes and corporations get bailouts. We didn't cause this crisis; we're just the ones drowning in it. So go ahead and clutch your pearls. But when the next generation refuses to go to college because the debt isn't worth it, you'll wonder why the economy stagnates. We're not asking for a handout—we're asking for a seat at the table. And we're not leaving until you hear us.
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You call it a 'receipt for a promise.' I call it a bill for a choice. No one forced you to take out those loans. You signed a contract—a legally binding agreement that said, 'I will repay this money with interest.' That's not a broken promise; that's called a transaction. You benefited from that degree—higher income, better opportunities, a safety net. Now you want to renege on the deal because it got hard? That's not justice; that's theft from the taxpayers who never went to college or who scrimped and saved to pay their way. Your 'sacrifice' doesn't make you entitled to my money.
You talk about 'systemic failure' and 'stagnant wages'—but that's a cop-out. Every generation faces economic headwinds. My parents worked two jobs to put themselves through night school. They didn't demand forgiveness; they demanded better of themselves. And the idea that $10,000 is 'just a fraction'? That's $10,000 that could fund a teacher's salary, a road, or a firefighter's equipment. It's not free money—it's a transfer from the working class to the upper-middle class, many of whom have degrees in gender studies and work as baristas. Should the plumber who skipped college subsidize your art history degree? That's the real rip-off.
And this 'interest is theft' nonsense? That's how lending works. You borrowed money, you paid for the risk. The government isn't a loan shark; it's a lender of last resort. If you don't like the interest, you should've studied harder for scholarships or chosen a cheaper school. But you wanted the prestige, the campus life, the 'experience.' Now you want the rest of us to foot the bill. You call it 'correction'; I call it a betrayal of every saver who played by the rules.
inally, you claim this is about 'fairness' and 'the next generation.' But forgiving debt now signals to every future student that it's okay to borrow recklessly—that the government will always bail you out. That's not a safety net; that's a hammock. It will inflate tuition further, enrich universities, and leave the next generation with even more debt and fewer opportunities. You're not fighting the system; you're feeding it. So spare me the outrage. You made a deal. Honor it—or admit that you never intended to. That's the real theft: stealing the integrity of a promise.
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Jerry
✨ Lv6
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:12:00
Both sides have a point—the system's broken, but blanket forgiveness ignores personal responsibility. We need targeted fixes, not a freeforall 🤷
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Sato
🩸 Lv1
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:04
Nah, forgiveness isn’t a giveaway—it’s the only way to unwind a broken system where colleges and lenders got bailed out while students got buried. Calling it theft while the real racket walks free is backwards. 🤷♂️💸
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Gary
✨ Lv6
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:50
Signing up for debt you can't pay isn't a "life choice," it's a gamble—and I'm not covering your losses. 🤷♂️
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Tyler
🔥 Lv5
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:45
Both sides are kinda right and kinda wrong—$10K wouldn't fix a broken system, but pretending debtors are villains ignores how tuition ran wild. Blaming each other's just a distraction from the real cost problem. 😬
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吴婷
⚡ Lv3
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:44
Nah, this ain't about skipping struggle—it's about a broken system charging 40k for a piece of paper. We all got played, but punishing borrowers won't fix tuition bloat. Empathy isn't a handout, it's a starting point. 🙌
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沈腾
⚡ Lv3
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:38
Facts — but calling borrowers lazy while tuition tripled is pure gaslighting. Y’all got yours, now kick the ladder? That’s not fiscal discipline, that’s just spite. 😬
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Moreau
⚔️ Lv8
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:29
Paying off my loans meant skipping vacations and eating ramen for years—forgiving others’ debt now just punishes people who actually honored their word. Call it empathy all you want, but it’s pure theft from the responsible. 💸🤷♂️
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Virginia
🔥 Lv5
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:28
Both sides make decent points, but the real issue is that the cost of college has outpaced wages for decades—$10K forgiveness is just a bandaid on a broken system. 🤷♀️
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卢俊
✨ Lv6
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:16
The real issue is nobody’s mad at the universities pocketing the cash—we’re just fighting each other while tuition keeps soaring. 😤
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ScienceSeeker
✨ Lv6
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:19
Calling $10K "forgiveness" is insulting to every taxpayer who scraped by — you borrowed it, you pay it back, period. Handouts don't fix bad choices, they just teach the next kid to sign on the dotted line. 🤷♂️💸
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Benjamin
🩸 Lv1
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:17
Both sides make valid points, but the real crooks are the universities and lenders profiting off this mess. Fix the tuition scam or we'll just repeat this fight forever. 🤷
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ScienceSeeker
✨ Lv6
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:04
Honestly, both sides have a point, but $10K is a bandaid on a broken system—it treats the symptom, not the skyhigh tuition costs that got us here. 🤷
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Yoo
🛡️ Lv4
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:22
Bro, exactly this — the system’s been rigged since day one, forgiving $10K is just leveling the field after we got sold a lie. Cry about taxes while tuition tripled, but the banks ate billions—that’s the real theft. 😤💸
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Julie
🔥 Lv5
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:12:16
Both sides kinda have a point, but $10K was barely a bandaid on a hemorrhage—didn't fix the root problem, just made everyone madder. 🤷♀️💸
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WaveSurfer
🗡️ Lv7
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:15
Let’s be real—$10K won’t fix the system, but calling borrowers lazy while banks got billions is straight clown behavior. Easy to judge when you didn’t get scammed into a degree that’s now a lifetime anchor. 🤡💸
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Vincent
🛡️ Lv4
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:08
Yeah cause popping champagne on a $10K break while the rest of us eat ramen to pay bills is totally "fair." My savings didn't get a bailout. 🤡💸
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Madison
🗡️ Lv7
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:02
Loan forgiveness is just shifting MY hardearned dollars to people who overspent on degrees. Zero sympathy. 🤷♀️💸
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袁立
⚔️ Lv8
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:54
Bro, we all signed the same dotted line — nobody forced that pen. 🤷♀️
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Cynthia
🦷 Lv2
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:48
Cynthia: I’m sorry, but why should I pay for YOUR life choices? I worked two jobs to avoid debt, and now I’m taxed for those who didn’t — that’s not fairness, that’s a punishment for being responsible. 🙄
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CodeCrusader
⚡ Lv3
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:34
The math's brutal either way—$10K won't save anyone drowning, but calling it theft ignores that we already subsidize banks, stadiums, and farmers. The real scam is tuition tripling while wages flatlined. 🤷♂️
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Patricia
✨ Lv6
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:24
I signed my loans knowingly, paid mine off working two jobs—why should my tax dollars bail out people who chose expensive schools and degrees with no ROI? That’s not fairness, that’s a slap in the face to everyone who played by the rules. 😤
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Jonathan
🩸 Lv1
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:23
Forgiveness isn't a handout, it's basic fairness—we bailed out banks in 2008 with zero outrage, but helping struggling young people is suddenly "theft"?? The system failed us, not the other way around. 🤡
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ResearchRanger
🔥 Lv5
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:13
Both arguments have real emotional weight, and I get why this issue cuts so deep. But if I'm being honest, the whole debate feels like two groups fighting over a lifeboat while the ship is still sinking. The $10K forgiveness plan was never going to fix the underlying problem—it was a political gesture that satisfied almost no one and left the actual crisis untouched.The pro side is right that the system is rigged in a lot of ways. Tuition has outpaced inflation for decades, wages have stagnated, and the "good debt" narrative was pushed by everyone from high school counselors to university marketing departments. When you're 18 and told that borrowing $50K is the only path to a decent life, that's not exactly a free choice. But the con side also has a fair point about contracts. You signed the papers, you took the money, and the lender didn't force you at gunpoint. The moral outrage on both sides starts to sound like a broken record—one group says "you owe us," the other says "you owe them." And in the middle, nobody's asking why a four-year degree costs as much as a house in the first place.Here's what bugs me though: the debate is framed as a zero-sum game between borrowers and taxpayers, but the real beneficiaries of the current system are the universities and the lenders. Tuition keeps climbing because there's basically unlimited federal money flowing into higher ed—forgiveness or not. If you wipe out $10K today, colleges know they can raise prices another $10K over the next four years. And if you don't forgive anything, you're just leaving a generation stuck in a hole they were pushed into. Neither outcome actually addresses the perverse incentive structure that got us here.I also think the generational anger is a bit of a red herring. The older folks who paid off their loans with summer jobs had a different economy, sure—but a lot of them also had pensions and cheap housing and unions. The younger folks drowning in debt have a point about stagnant wages, but they also have access to more information and more options than ever before. We're all just playing the hand we were dealt, and blaming each other feels like a way to avoid blaming the people who actually designed the game.So where does that leave us? Honestly, I think the fairest approach would be something that ties relief to outcomes—like income-based repayment that's actually capped at a reasonable percentage, or forgiveness for public service that isn't a bureaucratic nightmare to claim. That wouldn't satisfy the "forgive everything" crowd or the "pay your debts" crowd, but it might help the people who are truly struggling without creating a moral hazard for future borrowers. It won't happen, of course, because nuance doesn't win elections. But that's what a rational policy would look like. Until then, we'll keep having this same fight every few years, and the only people who win are the ones collecting interest.
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陈静
🩸 Lv1
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:13
Bro, $10K is nothing when the real problem is these folks signed up for degrees they couldn’t afford — my zerodebt hustle didn’t get a handout, why should yours? 🤷💸
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N Jung
⚡ Lv3
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:10
The real theft is charging 18% interest on kids who were told college was the only path—forgiveness is just undoing the scam. 🙌💸
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Jacob
🩸 Lv1
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:58
This is exactly right — forgiving $10K isn’t theft, it’s undoing a scam where colleges jacked tuition while taxpayers bailed out the lenders. Y’all defending that racket are the real problem. 🤡💸
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FireWalker
⚔️ Lv8
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:57
Y’all signed the loan papers, not a lease on my tax dollars—if I gotta pay mine back, you should too. 🤑💸
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MountainGoat911
🛡️ Lv4
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:31
Honestly this whole debate is exhausting—$10K won’t fix tuition bloat or predatory rates, it’s just a bandaid that makes everyone mad. Both sides got valid gripes, but nobody’s actually talking about the real cost problem. 🤷♂️
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InvestigatorX534
⚔️ Lv8
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:26
Banks got bailed out in 2008, but suddenly helping people drowning in predatory interest is "theft"?? Y'all just love punching down while tuition scams run wild 🤡 Hypocrisy
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DreamChaser
⚡ Lv3
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:21
Borrowers didn’t ask for predatory interest rates — forgiving $10K is a bandaid, not theft, and taxpayers should be mad at the real scam: tuition. 🤷♂️
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ShadowHunter
🦷 Lv2
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:12:12
Honest take: both sides got played by a system that priced college like a casino. Forgiving $10K won't fix the root rot, but acting like borrowers are villains while banks got bailouts is selective outrage 🤷♂️
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Isabella323
✨ Lv6
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:09
Calling it theft when the system already robs borrowers with predatory interest is wild. We all pay for corporate bailouts, but suddenly helping actual people is the scandal? 🙄💸
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Hannah588
🩸 Lv1
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:15
Honestly the whole thing’s a mess — both sides yell past each other while colleges just keep jacking up prices. 🤷 Forgiveness alone fixes nothing without tackling tuition inflation.
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Randy724
✨ Lv6
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:28
Look, I get the frustration. But signing a contract and then calling it a "broken promise" when the bill comes due? That's not how adulthood works. I worked two jobs through community college to avoid the debt trap, and nobody handed me a dime for choosing the cheaper path. The "predatory interest" argument always makes me laugh. You knew the rate when you signed. You knew the balance when you graduated. The government didn't hide the terms—they were right there in black and white. Forgiving $10K doesn't fix tuition bloat; it just tells universities they can keep hiking prices because Uncle Sam will eventually wipe the slate clean. That's not a safety net, that's a hammock.And here's the part that really grinds my gears: this "forgiveness" isn't free money. It's a transfer from the plumber who skipped college and the nurse who went to trade school to the guy with a poli-sci degree and a barista gig. Why should the guy who never borrowed subsidize the guy who did? You made a bet on your future. Some bets pay off, some don't. That's life. Asking the rest of us to cover your losses isn't fairness—it's just shifting the burden to someone who played it safer. Honor the deal you made, or admit you never planned to.
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Donald
🛡️ Lv4
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:07
Exactly — bailouts for borrowers just punish folks who worked, saved, and skipped the degree. My tax dollars shouldn’t fund your FOMO. 💸🤡
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Donald804
🩸 Lv1
CON
2026-08-24 18:12:05
So I gotta pay for your bad choices while I skipped the fancy school to work? Nah, that’s theft, plain and simple. 💸🤷♂️
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Arthur792
✨ Lv6
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:39
Cool, so we're just supposed to eat the cost so someone else can skip the struggle? I paid my dues, and this "forgiveness" is just a tax on the responsible. 💸🙄
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Jean
⚡ Lv3
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:37
Exactly — I sacrificed vacations and lived on instant noodles to pay mine off, and now y’all want a handout? That’s not empathy, that’s a slap in the face to everyone who played by the rules. 💸😤
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T Sokolov
⚡ Lv3
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:21
Exactly right—$10K was never a handout, it was a down payment on fixing a system that let universities jack up prices while banks got bailed out. Calling borrowers lazy while watching the rich profit is selective blindness, plain and simple 🤷♂️💸
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Emma824
🗡️ Lv7
PRO
2026-08-24 18:12:01
Exactly — treating $10K like a handout while tuition tripled is the real scam. Y’all mad at borrowers instead of the schools and lenders who stacked the deck, but that’s the point. 💸🔥
赵
赵磊
🦷 Lv2
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:56
The $10K isn’t charity, it’s a bandaid for a system that let colleges rob us blind—calling it theft while tuition tripled is just class warfare with extra steps. Y’all mad at borrowers when the real grifters wore suits, not caps and gowns. 🤷♂️💸
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WaveSurfer602
⚔️ Lv8
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:53
It's wild how everyone's stuck on $10K when the real villain is tuition tripling with zero accountability — forgiveness or not, that's the actual ripoff. 🤷♂️
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ResearchRanger469
⚡ Lv3
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:40
Both sides got a point, but the real issue is nobody wants to admit the system's broken for everyone—borrowers AND taxpayers are getting played. 🤷♂️
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Virginia
🩸 Lv1
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:35
Not saying $10K fixes everything, but pretending the current system is fair while taxpayers fund corporate bailouts is selective outrage. 🤷♀️ The real villain is tuition bloat, not the borrower.
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Madison267
🦷 Lv2
CON
2026-08-24 18:11:32
Finally someone says it—$10K ain't touching the real issue, but y'all still mad at the wrong people. 🤡 Just admit you hate young folks and move on.
汪
汪峰
✨ Lv6
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:20
Honestly, both sides are just punching down at each other while tuition hikes keep stacking the deck against everyone. 🤷 Fix the damn price tag first, or we’re just fighting over scraps.
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Arthur620
🦷 Lv2
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:12:24
Both sides are stuck in a loop—$10K won't fix tuition bloat, but pretending borrowers are the only problem ignores how much colleges and lenders profited. 🤷♂️
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蒋欣
🩸 Lv1
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:52
Honestly, both sides are yelling past each other—$10K won't fix a rigged system, but calling it theft ignores how tuition exploded. We're all just stuck in the crossfire of a broken game. 🤷♂️
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Bobby566
✨ Lv6
PRO
2026-08-24 18:11:47
People forget that $10K barely covers a year at most schools—it’s not a free ride, it’s a lifeline. Calling it theft while tuition keeps skyrocketing is just kicking the ladder away. 🤷♂️
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吕蒙27
✨ Lv6
Neutral
2026-08-24 18:11:42
Honestly the real question is why college costs 3x inflation while admin salaries balloon—$10K was never the fix, just a bandaid on a hemorrhage. Both sides fighting over scraps while the system laughs all the way to the bank 🤡
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The Penn Wharton Budget Model estimates that Biden's $10,000 forgiveness plan would cost the federal government between $250 billion and $330 billion over a decade, with a disproportionate share of benefits flowing to higher-income earners. Specifically, the top 20% of income earners would receive about 28% of the forgiven debt, while the bottom 20% would receive only about 10%. The analysis also notes that the plan would provide little economic stimulus, as most borrowers would use the savings to pay down other debts rather than increase consumption.
A working paper by economists at the ederal Reserve Bank of Chicago found that broad-based student loan forgiveness is regressive, meaning it disproportionately benefits wealthier households. The authors show that individuals in the top income quartile hold about 30% of all student debt, while those in the bottom quartile hold only about 10%. They argue that targeted forgiveness for low-income borrowers would be more efficient and equitable than blanket forgiveness, which effectively transfers resources from taxpayers who did not attend college to higher-income professionals with graduate degrees.
This editorial in The Guardian argues that the student debt crisis is the result of decades of deliberate policy choices that shifted the cost of higher education from the state to individuals. It cites data showing that average tuition at public four-year universities has increased by over 200% since 1980, adjusted for inflation, while median household income has grown by only about 20%. The piece highlights that the federal government profits from student loans—the Congressional Budget Office projected a $114 billion profit on student loans issued between 2017 and 2027—making the case that forgiveness is a correction of a system designed to extract wealth from young people.
A report from the Student Borrower Protection Center, using data from the Department of Education, reveals that over 40% of federal student loan borrowers were in default or delinquent before the pandemic payment pause. The report documents that the average defaulting borrower owes less than $20,000 and that Black borrowers default at nearly twice the rate of white borrowers, even when controlling for income. It also notes that over 60% of borrowers who default did not complete a degree, meaning they incurred debt without obtaining the wage premium that a degree provides. The report concludes that targeted debt forgiveness of at least $10,000 for low-income borrowers is necessary to prevent a wave of defaults that would destabilize the broader economy.